Big oof.
"Why run against Trump? You're trying to thread this needle that will never happen. You can't disavow him, because that's the base. And yet you're running against him. And that's why - I mean let's face, Ron, if the campaign was going well, you wouldn't be on this show."
DeSantis is getting beat up out there, man. He's gotta be more free-wheeling like he was as governor. He's gotta be ready for stuff like this and he has to respond like a human being instead of a programmed politician if he's gonna have a chance.
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